Saturday, 24 September 2016

The How & Why of Our Genealogy & Publishing Journey.

Sep 2016  update  The How & Why of Our Genealogy & Publishing Journey.

Due to a recent unfortunate incident in August, I thought it would be wise to clarify a couple of aspects of the How & Why of this journey we are on in Glengarry County Genealogy & Publishing.

1st - I have never claimed to be a Professional Genealogist. If a viewer of our work assumed that, that was their choice & mistake. This question probably has come up the odd time in the last 30 to 40 years, but not with the persistence of the present situation.

2nd - I have never claimed to be  part of any Certified Professional Genealogical Association. If a viewer of our work assumed that, that was their choice & mistake.

3rd -  My experience these 45 years came as a result of the Grace of God, openness, collecting and sorting family information, instinct, intuition, gut feeling, and a subtle knowingness as to who belonged to what families from collecting, reviewing obituaries, Gravestone inscriptions, church records, land records, etc.  

4th - You never know where genealogy research is going to take you. With pre-conceived expectations the viewer can be in for a shock with what results can show up.

5th - Yes, I do research for people from time to time. I am under no obligation to accept research requests from anyone. Likewise, if I do, I am also at liberty to return any research deposit if I deem that necessary. In the above incident, I deemed it necessary to return the research deposit.  When I do research, then that person is paying for my time, not buying or purchasing the resulted documentation. Depending on the information I am presented with as a starting point, then depending on what results come about, the person who made the request will usually get some documents sent to them.    I do not manufacture the results. The results come from the research done.

6th - Any research results I end up with — They are as they are —- I stand behind those results,  until new factual documentation comes about to change things. I do not claim the results are right or wrong, good or bad. I leave that to the viewer to decide. The results are as they are. The viewer makes a choice as to whether they agree, accept or believe the results presented from their perspective to determine its validity.

7th — The WHY of this journey is, was to preserve the history, family history in particular of the Glengarry County Ontario and area and make it available to those so interested. Linking families as best we could & were possible documenting same. Much has been done, more still has to be done. In the results that now exist, we have done the best we could within the circumstances that had to be dealt with and still have to be dealt with. 

8th -  Here are some examples of how easy it is when dealing with Macs, especially MacDonalds, MacDonells, to have the right names and the wrong people at the same time. This in most cases is unavoidable and happens to most if not all of us, myself included,  who do genealogy research at one time or another.  Mistakes, Red Flags, Discrepancies in Genealogy research. Solving this requires putting more detailed meat on the bones of the names concerned with dates, BMD etc.

These examples are based on the information I was aware of at the time, date of completion of article, even if new information came along after completion of any specific outline made.

Ex 1—   The Alexander MacDonell Dilemma. 

Ex 2 —  The John MacDonald Dilemma  [Mistakes in Genealogy] 

Ex 3 — Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people 

Ex 4 —  The Alexander McNaughton Dilemma  

To those who made the choice to support us over these past 45 years for books or research our sincere thanks. We hope the results were beneficial more that confusing.

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

Sunday, 21 August 2016

Sutherland McKay’s Bible information

We are wondering if this rings  bell with  any viewer. 

Do you know of a Sutherland McKay circa the mid 1870's

We came across this page in a a bible years ago. We have not found any reference to the names shown of Sutherland McKay and his wife Elizabeth Mary

The words on this page are 
To Sutherland McKay from his affectionate wife Elizabeth Mary May 3rd 1874

Sutherland McKay’s Bible information

Hugh McKay born Sept. 10th 1863 at half past 3 afternoon.
Donald McKay born August 19th 1865, half past one, Morning.
John Maclean McKay born Nov. 23rd 1868, quarter to eleven night
Ellen McKay the adopted daughter of Sutherland and Elizabeth McKay born April 15th 1861

Elizabeth Mary McLean mother to the above born April 15th 1838

Sutherland McKay and Elizabeth Mary McLean married March 4th 1861


Unknown - Bible entry
Holy Bonds of Matrimony
Name of bride and groom not entered
At Alexander Topp house on the fourth day of March in the Year of our Lord 1861…….. in presence of 
Margaret Brown
Andrew Herrenton

signed Alexander Topp, minister of Knox Church, Toronto 

See marriage below which is the one referred to above. 

Page 117, return 101: by Rev Alexander Topp, Knox Presbyterian Church

Sutherland McKAY, 34, Forres Sutherlandshire Scotland, Toronto, s/o Hugh McKAY & Mary McDONALD, married Elizabeth McLEAN, 23, London England, Toronto, d/o Hugh McLEAN & Elizabeth BROAD, witn: Andrew HETHERINGTON & Margaret BROWN, both of Toronto, 04 Mar 1861.


Any leads would be  welcomed

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC

Friday, 19 August 2016

Family Bible of John P. Stone & Hattie M. Ouderkirk

Family Bible of John P. Stone & Hattie M. Ouderkirk

The following information was copied from a bible we found at an antique store in Monkland, Ont., on Hwy 138 circa the mid 1990's. In this bible was a copy of the marriage Certificate of John P. Stone & Hattie Ouderkirk.  Wanted $75.00 for the bible, which was in very poor shape.  Size about 10 x 14, 6 inches thick, lots of lose pages

John P. Stone & Hattie M. Ouderkirk were united in holy matrimony at Berwick on the 19 day of April in the year of our Lord 1905, presence Abner Ouderkirk, Lillie Barkley by Rev. W. J. Blannish.

1st page - 
Stone of Norwood, N.Y.
Hattie Ouderkirk daughter of George of Berwick 

Page 3 - Births
George Philip Stone born Jan. 1906
William Evert Stone born Dec. 22, 1908
Willis Barkley Miller born Nov. 27, 1906
Mary Sarah Barkley born Jan. 3rd. 1892
Lillie May Beatrice Barkley born July 27th 1887
Claudie Edmund Meldrum born July 22, 1908
Dalton McDermid born July 25, 1911
Inez McDermid Jan. 22, 1914
Goldia Meldrum Nov. 22, 1910
Claude Meldrum Oct. 31, 1912
Hilda Meldrum Nov. 10, 1915
Vivian Ouderkirk  April 18, 1931
Doris Carbino Aug. 30, 1931
Floyd Dingwall July 14, 1933
Doris McDermid Sep 29, 1934
Lyle McDermid April 27, 1936
Leila McDermid Nov. 8, 1916

page 4 - Marriages
1 - John P. Stone & Hattie M. Ouderkirk Apr. 19, 1905
2 - Mr. James Barkley to Cathern P. Ouderkirk married 8 July 1885
3 - Mr. Angus McDermid to Mary S. Barkley married Sep. 28, 1910
4 - Mr. Wilberte Ouderkirk to Goldia Meldrum Nov. 12, 1930
5 - Mr. Dalton McDermid to Dorothy Clements Aug. 19, 1931
6 - Mr. Elwood Carbino to Hilda Meldrum June 25, 1932
7 - Mr. Lynden Dingwall to Leila McDermid Feb. 24, 1933

page 5 - Deaths
Mrs. John P. Stone died June 13th, 1910 aged 33 
Claudie Meldrum died ________
Mr. James E. Barkley died Nov. 2, 1917 aged 54 & 8 months, 2 days
Mr. George Ouderkirk died Feb. 13, 1918
Mrs. James E. Barkley died Dec. 25, 1932, aged 68 years, 3 months & 22 days
Kenneth Dingwall 27 of Nov. 1937
Shirley Dingwall 24 of Dec 1939
Winston Dingwall 23 of Dec 1941
Isabelle Dingwall 27 of Feb 1944

Enjoy the journey

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser

Monday, 18 January 2016

What's New in

Update   May 2016

I have now scanned over 430 questionnaires and working on an index and linking same, where possible to the info in THE MACDONALDS OF LOUP LUNDIE & FRASER CONNECTIONS records. These questionnaires were completed by members of the Glengarry Genealogical Society prior to 1983 and the family info contained in same varies from a little to a lot.

also update navigation page correcting some broken links.
 January 2016

Update the Locator Place Name page

 brought the MacDonalds of Loup, Lundie, Fraser Connections pages up to date to
reflect version 5

The MacDonalds of Loup outline at

MacDonalds of Loup, Lundie & Fraser Connections V.5 CD
The MacDonalds of Loup Local Family Groups at

The MacDonalds of Loup Version 5 index which has over 34,000 names,  with some fine tuning at

Gravestones of Glengarry Vol.15

Updated the Gravestones of Glengarry page for Vol.15  at

The combined index of MacDonalds of Loup & the Master index of the 14 volume Gravestones of Glengarry series amounts to 77,631 names

updated Kenyon Presbyterian Church Marriages 
1857-1913  at

The Glengarry Book Name Index References at

Some Glengarry County & area local books;postID=1156117254564195142;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=2;src=postname

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take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC